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I think that since the rework Ian is not quite as dependant on Lena for his connection with Ivy, most of his interactions with her are actually thanks to Jeremy (chapter 2 introductions are because they were greeting each other, chapter 5 Jeremy invited them to the Blazer for some drinks on the house when Ivy was poledancing, chapter 7 Ian was at the bar with Jeremy before they meet Jess, Ivy and Axel). Even this new wrestling scene happens (according to Ivy) because Jeremy had promised to teach her some fighting moves but since he didn't show up she ends up hanging out with Ian instead.

Now it could be argued that Ivy showing any interest at all on Ian is because of his connection with Lena, but she doesn't seem to be that unapproachable even with people like Perry or Wade so that feels like a bit of a stretch. Even this necessary relationship boost from confronting Axel with the truth was less about Ian being with Lena and seems to be more about she being impressed that Ian had the balls to play it straight with Axel. The issue is just that without being dating Lena, Ian has nothing to confront Axel about so we miss this chance to impress her and end up being 1 point short of enabling the wrestling scene. The fact that this essentially means Ian needs to have had a relationship with Lena feels more like a side-effect of the check requiring you to have impressed Ivy in every meeting rather than the reason for it.
I can see your point, especially about the Axel confrontation point which won't happen without the Ian Lena dating check.

What I'm arguing is from Ivy's pov though. Lena and Ivy talks often about Lena's guys. So if Ian is not with Lena, Lena doesn't talk a lot and not favorably about Ian. From that lens, it makes sense that Ivy's interest in Ian is significantly less than if Lena talk about him a lot.

You're right that that doesn't excuse the Ivy Ian gym scene to not exist because the catalyst of that is Jeremy inviting her, which should happen regardless.

But I think from Eva's pov, at least from my read of it, there is 2 different "version" of Ivy, the one that goes to the gym (and thus meet Ian), and the one that doesn't go to the gym.

Just like there is 2 different "version" of Jessica in the game.

Yes it doesn't make the perfect sense and you aren't wrong when you say it's stingy, but Eva's previous game is also like this where some scenes are just unattainable based on previous early decisions.

I seriously would not realized there is a Dad depression path on GGGB if not for JDMOD, and this is long after I finished that game.

One thing we know of Eva though, she's malleable to criticism. So there is still a chance that future updates will be less stingy and more generous for the paths.

I didn't play the version before the remaster but some character has a different skin color and some other character has different appearance too or something like that? I feel like those changes, viewed from outside perspective, makes it "seem like" Eva is malleable to critics. Though we can never say that for sure of course.
 

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I may be wrong on this but I feel like Ivy's dialogues and thus moral code are dependent on our choices on Lena? maybe?

Because my read on Ivy on my main playthrough is a bit different with the both of you. The Ivy in my playthrough doesn't care about what others do but she herself has line she doesn't cross.

Not going after Mike because Mike has a girlfriend. Not telling Axel Lena's address. Delay giving Jeremy his rewards.

Ivy in my main playthrough doesn't seem interested in sleeping around with people in committed relationship and she's firecely loyal to Lena, in her own way.
I don't think Ivy is any different, but i think you have a slightly wrong read on her. Ivy genuinely cares about her best friend Lena and wants the best for her. At the same time Ivy considers the best thing is to follow one's own desires, with little to no consideration for feelings of people she/one doesn't personally like. This is why she repeatedly encourages Lena to act this way, and approves when she does act this way.

So, Ivy doesn't really care if people are in relationships, this in itself doesn't stop her from considering them a hookup target. Ivy doesn't go after Mike because Lena, her closest friend, shows interest in him. The minute Lena declares she's no longer seeing Mike, Ivy jokes with her she might give him a spin now. For this matter, she jokingly tests waters for potential threesome with him even earlier, "since you're already sharing him with his girlfriend".
 
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There is a dialogue variance in the toilet where Ivy explicitly said she didn't bother going after Mike because he has a girlfriend.
Ivy says she "never really tried" because of it, but i think it has more to do with Ivy having tons of other potential hookups for whom she wouldn't be "the second option", and with Mike not showing any interest in her, than drawing a firm line per se.

All of the "never really tried" and "want to share him?" and "maybe i'll sleep with him now that you two are over" dialogues happen when Lena sleeps with Mike, so Lena's actions clearly don't influence whether Ivy swears off people in relationships or not.

Another example off the top of my head is like Cindy being pissed at Wade or being remorseful to Wade is highly dependent on Ian's actions with Wade too (whether Ian coming clean to Wade or not).
Cindy always feels guilty and dirty about betraying Wade, even if their relationship score is in the dumps. The score (which is determined by Ian's actions) does influence how the daily interactions between Cindy and Wade play out, though. (it's driven mainly by whether Ian stops Wade from drunkenly insulting Cindy when he discovers she had photo session) I presume this determines whether these two manage to patch things up, or break up down the road. Similar to how you can play matchmaker for Emma and Perry, or permit/prevent Holly's hookup with Mark. Your actions don't change characters' personalities*, but the circumstances which ultimately determine the outcome(s).

*) with caveat, as some of the player's actions do alter character's personalities -- holly_change, alison_sexy These are very explicit, though.
 
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I completely forgot Mark was in GGGB. My Ashley left him blue balled and now Lena is blocking him from scoring with Holly and doesn't give him any attention. Even in the script half of the time the developer freudian slips and writes "Mike" instead of "Mark". Poor guy can't catch a break.
 
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Can somebody help me with this? I already tried it with Holly/Ian and Holly/Lena but this option is still greyed out. I have no idea what I'm missing.
 

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Can somebody help me with this? I already tried it with Holly/Ian and Holly/Lena but this option is still greyed out. I have no idea what I'm missing.
Python:
        "{image=icon_lust.webp}I'm willing to help" if (lena_lust > 5 and lena_go_holly > 0 and v8_holly_strip and ian_lena_dating == False) or (lena_lust > 5 and lena_go_holly > 0 and v8_holly_strip and ian_lena_over):
Lena can't be dating Ian, needs Lust at 6+ and must've expressed interest in Holly (either thinking of her while masturbating, kissing her, or both)

In order to be able to think of Holly when masturbating you'll need to put away the dildo.
 

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Is "keeping it casual" the trigger for that flag?
It gets set to true after Lena decides in chapter 4 to go on a date with Ian, in response to his text. Note this request will be accepted automatically if Lena was very receptive to Ian earlier in the game (telling Ivy in ch.3 she thinks she's interested in him, instead of "I'm not sure" or "I don't think so")

Another possibility is to end relationship with Ian (ian_lena_over) which can be done if Ian and Robert had a fight and Lena doesn't forgive him.
 
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Как вы довели Ian_ivy до 5 до этого события? он начинается с 3, и единственная возможность увеличить его до этого момента, который я нашел, - это «пошутить», когда Ян впервые встречает Айви. Вы уверены, что не играли с включенным чит-режимом, а затем после этого события он был установлен на 8?

РЕДАКТИРОВАТЬ: Возможно, я запутался в математике, но в любом случае это все еще отстой, когда твой Ян встречается с Леной.
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есть еще момент когда они в клубе и Айви спрашивает Яна что они там делают и Ян может ответить что они живут в свободной стране, это дает 1 балл, а уже получается 5 если вы пошутили при знакомстве.
 

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Python:
        "{image=icon_lust.webp}I'm willing to help" if (lena_lust > 5 and lena_go_holly > 0 and v8_holly_strip and ian_lena_dating == False) or (lena_lust > 5 and lena_go_holly > 0 and v8_holly_strip and ian_lena_over):
Lena can't be dating Ian, needs Lust at 6+ and must've expressed interest in Holly (either thinking of her while masturbating, kissing her, or both)

In order to be able to think of Holly when masturbating you'll need to put away the dildo.
in which file do you see that? there is an option that is escaping me with axel when he sends lena the photos of his section
 

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in which file do you see that? there is an option that is escaping me with axel when he sends lena the photos of his section
This one specifically is from scripts/story/chapter_8c In general game script files are stored in archive called "scripts.rpa" in "game/" sub-folder. There's tools you can use to unpack the content, like Rpatool. Once unpacked, the files can be viewed with any text editor.

IIRC when responding to Axel's text about photos the "friendly" option hinges on relationship score which is currently unobtainable. It's a bug, hopefully will be fixed in beta or final release.
 

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How do you get the threesome with Allison, Jeremy and Ian? She was onboard but then Ian broke it off with her. There wasn’t an option to not be in a relationship with Lena.

Is there a threesome option for Lena? Seems like she can have that be her fantasy, but it never comes up.

it doesn’t make sense that Ian and Lena break it off with Allison and Mike when they’re in a relationship but have no issues having sex with Cindy, Axel and others
 
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